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May 2010 COTM - Mine!

Allen Walker's Triumph 2500S

Register badge proudly displayed. Number plates are reproductions, but as original. The tyres are Goodyear GT2 175/80 14 (same size as original).

This month I’m featuring the car owned by yours truly, i.e. me, Allen Walker, the Triumph 2000 Register webmaster. My car is far from pristine, as you will see from the pictures, and some classic car fans will howl with dismay at the way I’ve neglected certain things. I haven’t even bothered washing it for the photos. My excuse is that I’ve spent what time and money I have on the oily bits of the car. Whilst I could never say the car is ‘sorted’, mechanically it’s pretty damn close.

I bought the car, after a short search, at the end of July 2005. The car was advertised on the Register website, I went to view it near Stockport, Cheshire and purchased it there and then.

Original keys and keyfob for Allen Walker's 2500S

The original Leyland keys and the dealer keyfob. In the right light you can still just about make out the Dutton-Forshaw gold foil lettering on the leather.

The car came with an almost complete history, dating back to it’s original purchase. Born on the 12th July 1976, the car was despatched from the factory on the 16th August and sold by Dutton-Forshaw, Kettering to a Mrs E. M. Cory of Porth Navas, Cornwall on the 17th September. A Cornish registration number was assigned to the car at her request.

I have the original ‘Passport to Service’, the dealer key fob with original key set and ID tag, the dealer tax disc holder and some receipts for work done by the local Rover agent.

Clearly a meticulous lady, she kept detailed records of her expenditure on the car, including every fill-up and the mileage obtained. Doing some calculations I was able to work out that the car achieved a fairly poor 22 mpg in her ownership.

The original owner's record book

Every single fill up from purchase to resale. Columns from left are: date of fill; cumulative mileage; quantity of fuel; whether the tank was filled; mileage since last fill; and miles per gallon. Average MPG during this owner's time calculates to around 22, with a best of 31 and a worst of 14. Not what it said in the brochure, methinks.

As I had copies of the previous V5s, I decided to do a bit of Googling. I discovered that someone with the surname Cory still lived at the same address indicated on Mrs Cory’s last V5. I sent a speculative letter together with a photo of the car asking for some information. A bit cheeky, but if you don’t ask, you don’t get…..

It turned out the current resident of the house was her son. He took the trouble to ring me and fill me in on some of the history. His mother bought the car in Kettering because her brother had a shoe making business there. He remembers going to pick the car up and driving it back to Cornwall.

His mother did mainly short trips around and about her locality, which goes some way to explain the poor fuel consumption. At some point, late on in her ownership, she had a minor accident where a truck glanced the side of the car on a busy road. I believe she was advancing in years at this point and her son explained that she just lost confidence in driving, which led her to the decision to sell the car in March 1992 having owned it for over twelve years.

The next owner did around 5000 miles in about a year and this represents the only period of the car’s life where I have no service records at all.

The Triumph 'Passport to Service'

The Triumph 'Passport to Service' booklet, handbooks and wallet. The service book is fully stamped up to 1989 and 27910 miles.

Having by now probably reached the age where it could be properly considered ‘a classic’, the car was bought by its next owner who was (or became) a Register Member.

An enthusiastic tinkerer, it was he who did some of the more expensive modifications, most significantly having the head worked on by Chris Witor which included unleaded valve seats, skimming to 9:1 compression ratio, stainless steel valves, etc. This was reinstalled into the car complete with an early PI cam. I have very detailed records from this owner detailing every single piece of work on the car. There were some body repairs including the driver’s footwell and the nearside wheel arch, the addition of electronic ignition, a Kenlowe fan, spin-off oil filter, solid jets in place of waxstats on the carbs, solid throttle butterflies (discarding the anti-run-on valves) and much, much more, together with meticulous and very frequent servicing.

Centre console, Triumph 2500S

The radio is original from new, but fitted with FM internals. Rarely used.

Something I did glean from his notes was the frequency with which he had his wheels balanced, far more than should have been necessary. I got the impression he was chasing the ‘vibration problem’ that these cars can sometimes suffer from. It didn’t seem he ever truly resolved it before he passed away sometime in 2000.

The car then made its way North, when it was sold from his estate to another Register Member, from Dukinfield near Stockport in Cheshire.

This chap was very much a show-car person and did a lot to improve the fabric of the car in general, doing some more body repairs and repainting certain parts of the car, having the bottom end of the engine rebuilt and changing the suspension set-up, incorrectly as it turned out.

When I bought it, it had lain unused in a dehumidified garage for over a year, the MoT and tax had expired but the car was in very good bodily condition. The main fault he reported was a significant vibration from the front of the car. When I drove it home it manifested itself straight away, coming in quite severely at about 55 mph. It was intermittent, though – sometimes going over a rut in the road would realign something and the vibration would disappear for a moment, then it would come back after the next rut.

Chris Witor sports rear silencer for Triumph 2500S

The oft-seen Chris Witor rear silencer is complemented by the semi-sport centre section. Sounds mighty fine.

Over the years of my ownership I, too, have chased the ‘vibration problem’. The severe shudder already mentioned was traced to a badly worn bottom ball joint (at the very least), but there were numerous other worn or incorrect components. It turned out that although on the surface the car and been looked after very well, the fact that it had been chronically underused over the last few years meant that wear in much of the mechanical components had not been noticed and attended to. Certain modifications had also been carried out which were not quite right. For instance, the rear suspension comprised pre-facelift (i.e. lower) trailing arm brackets, Mark 1 springs and post-facelift configuration differential mounts. I have reworked this to the correct pre-facelift configuration (which of course is a modification to this post-facelift car).

I’ve ended up replacing all the springs, the dampers, the track control arms and bottom ball joints, the steering rack including new rod-ends, the front and rear wheel bearings, the half-shaft UJs and the front and rear brake pads, cylinders and springs. I have replaced the standard half-shafts with new GKN alternative items, which has proved a good purchase. The bushes and insulators are almost all Superflex. This programme of replacement and upgrades eventually eradicated all vibration – at this point in time!

In a quest for more power (more! more! more!), the main things that have been done are:

  • Electronic ignition (Newtronic/Piranha)
  • Unleaded head by Chris Witor, skimmed to 9:1 compression
  • ‘Early’ PI cam
  • BCM metering needles in the carbs (currently)
  • Rebuilt and recalibrated distributor
  • Chris Witor semi-sport exhaust and sport silencer

At a recent rolling road session, this setup yielded around 115bhp at 4000 RPM – quite a measly increase considering those mods equate to around £1200 worth of parts (mostly spent by the POs I hasten to add). The operator reported that the very slim ‘S’ air box was responsible for significantly restricting the performance of the engine and preventing the use of a richer needle, hence the relatively benign BCMs. The car is torquey and smooth, and hopefully as economical as it can be at the moment.

A recent frenzy of work saw the standard exhaust centre section replaced (because it was shot) with a stainless CW semi-sport job. It makes a great sound, especially with the windows down.

Engine bay of Triumph 2500S

Not overly keen on the big, clunky rocker cover, but loathe to change it at the moment. A recent rolling road session identified the super-slim 'S' airbox as being primarily responsible for strangled performance. May swap it out for some K&Ns but we'll see.

I keep having problems with my manifold-to-downpipe gaskets, which seem to blow rather easily. I noticed during the last swap out that there was very little pipe protuding above the flange, about 4 mm or so. By comparison I have another downpipe in storage which has about an inch. I’m not sure how much is ‘correct’ or ‘desirable’, I just know that the copper gaskets are stretching under the force of hot gases, making the hole a gradually more distorted teardrop shape which eventually gets big enough to fail. The last gasket I put in was not the copper type, so we’ll see how that one fares.

I also removed the rocker/head oil feed boost pipe. There is always much discussion as to whether they are beneficial, make no difference or are in fact detrimental to the engine – I still don’t know, but I’ve removed it anyway and will monitor things with regard to oil consumption, rocker wear, etc.

Current projects include installing Jaguar XJ-S front seats into the car – don’t panic, originality fans! The seats are almost exactly the same colour as the current corded bri-nylon ones and everything is being installed ‘non-destructively’, i.e. no cutting involved.

If I was to develop the power plant further I’d probably look at improving the breathing with some high-flow filters and perhaps some work on the inlet manifold. Maybe I should look at uprating the brakes as well….

Instrument panel and steering wheel, Triumph 2500S

They all work. Circa 84,000 miles to date, verified by paperwork.

The car had 66,000 miles on the clock when I bought it, and it now has 84,000, an average of about 3500 a year, but that includes a protracted spell of about 18 months when the car was off the road. Since getting the car back into regular use I have covered about 6,000 miles in a little over a year. This use will continue and culminate in October’s Club Triumph Round Britain Reliability Run, 2000 miles in 48 hours. After RBRR, the car may well be retired for the winter to undergo body rectification.

As for me, I live in Chester with my wife Lynn and our two boys, Fergus and Ewan. In true Northern tradition we have a whippet called Billy. My day job is that of an in-house graphic designer with a good chunk of my duties taken up by creating and maintaining web sites. Just the other week I was painting logos on tents though, so it does vary.

I have always loved cars, of all sorts, and love older ones especially. The 2500S is my daily driver, and in this day and age, with fuel prices on a permanently upward spiral, it’s getting harder and harder to justify using on a regular basis. I try to intersperse my commuting with some cycling during the summer months, but whatever happens in the future I really couldn’t bear to be without a classic.

May 2010 COTM - Mike Stevens' Family Album

This isn’t so much ‘Car of the Month’, more ‘Cars Of The Past Several Decades’. Mike Stevens continues:

Before I discovered the delights of Triumph motoring, I had been driving an ex-Royal Marines LandRover but then I discovered ‘girls’ and the LandRover was not the ideal vehicle for going to dances in! A change was made to a Triumph big saloon and I never looked back. I even married the girlfriend Ann, so it must have been the right move – and we’re still together some 30+ years later. Ann and me that is.

I bought my first Triumph – which was a gunmetal Mk1 2000 – in 1974. Unfortunately, it didn’t have overdrive, so I bought a damaged overdrive gearbox, and rebuilt the mechanism into my non-overdrive casing. It was a steep learning curve but a good baptism into big saloon mechanics which has carried on since then. The Mk1 was sold in 1983 after over 30 return trips from West Oxfordshire to University in Exeter between 1975 and 1978. It never let us down for the entire time we had it despite the amount of stuff we carried.

Since then we’ve had another 12 assorted Triumphs –

  • ‘S’ estate, 1981 to 1988 (scrapped due to rust), maybe the best one we ever had
  • Mk2 PI saloon, 1987 to present day (being dismantled and scrapped)
  • Another ‘S’ estate, 1994 – 2003 (sold)
  • Mk2 2000 saloon, 1996 to present day (to be sold)
  • 2500TC estate, 1986, accident car, dismantled
  • Another Mk2 PI saloon, 2009 to present day

As well as big saloons, we’ve also had other Triumph models –

Mk3 GT6, 1500TC, Dolomite 1300, Stag (still owned, undergoing rebuild), Dolomite 1500HL (rusted, spares car) and Herald 1200 Convertible, (undergoing rebuild).

Since 1974 I have always had a big saloon ‘on the road’ and done all my own maintenance. I think the only thing I’ve not been inside is a diff and steering rack! This is totally different to the day job where I am an electronic system design engineer, designing and developing embedded systems for a variety of applications. This summer I ‘celebrate’ 40 years at the same work place.

The home is now in a small village near Didcot in South Oxfordshire, with a garden and (large) garage to house all the cars. Including the Triumphs, we currently have 9 cars! We’ve also had time to build the garage, extend the house and have 3 boys who are now aged 24, 19 and 14. None of them have really caught the Triumph bug – yet! We’re working on it though.

As well as classic car restoration, both Ann and I are keen Amateur Radio enthusiasts, so there tends not to be much spare time!

March COTM: Bill Young's National Winner

Bill Young's Triumph 2000 Mark IBill first had a Mk1 in 1977 – a 1967 2000 automatic in gunmetal and, in his own words, “LOVED IT”. He fitted manual/overdrive, uprated springs, shocks, Lumenition, Weller steel slot ‘mags’ (For which he waited seven months!). Bill used it to tow his bangers, then stock rods when he raced, then sold it to a pal who comprehensively wrote it and a Sherpa off. “The driver’s cockpit was untouched, the rest destroyed. Nearside chassis leg still standing straight out, polished, with all the tinwork peeled off! Happy days?”

Fast forward to July 2007, for the classic car show at Knockhill and Bill was with a mate in his 1961 Bedford CA campervan (original and mint) as the Mini was still in bits. He spotted the Triumph (MSS 8E) and just thought it had a look about it. It needed a clean, but the rest was as you see. He approached the owner and asked that, if he was ever thinking of selling it, would he please consider him. “I’m thinking a year down the line, when I hoped to have the Mini complete. He said he had another classic, an MGA, and as he was renewing his road car and only had garaging for two, the Triumph would have to go! OK, time to panic!”

Bills friends checked the car, confirming what he thought – “If you want a Triumph, you’ll do well to get a better one” – so Bill went home and spoke to June, His long suffering wife of 33 years. The rest is history. Bill sold his 1992 Yamaha FJ 1200cc with 22000 miles on it (“A stunner, broke my heart.”) to help finance the car.

So to the car’s history: Registered 01-02-1967 to a bachelor lorry driver from Mussellburgh, Edinburgh. He only used the car on the weekend to take his mum a run or shopping. His mother died in 1991 at the age of 92, the son died 6 months later at the age of 69. The car had covered 24000 miles in 24 years.

The car was then sold with the estate and auctioned off.

It was bought by an antiques dealer from Dalkeith, Edinburgh, who bought it as an investment. He owned it for the next 14 years, in which time it covered the heady mileage of 900. Bill has two MoTs with 9 miles between them! This gentleman decided to sell the car in 2005 when it was advertised in Edinburgh press (Bill has a copy of the ad).

Bill continues: “It then passed on to the chap I bought it off of, who increased the mileage to 27000. It passed into my hands in 04-08-2007. It now has 32000+ miles on it.

Since owning I have done the following:

Renewed engine & gearbox mounts (one split, rest u/s); resealed rear brake cylinders (not leaking,but sticking in the seals); new tyres; clutch master cylinder (constantly weeping inside the car after being resealed twice! – the cylinder bore was pitted where the seal sits when relaxed). I will repair the cylinder and refit it  for originality’s sake; new strut gaiters; a stainless exhaust (Christmas prezzy) and electronic ignition (£20-00 from simonbbc on bay–great).

The idea is to keep the car as original as possible, thus the following! – The car had the wrong battery and clamp when I bought it and on speaking to the previous owner at a show (he still wants the car back!) said it came without it. I contacted the previous- previous owner (the antiques dealer) via BT, called him, explained I had the car and wondered if he had the clamp and rods. He did! I then went on a 200 mile round trip to collect them, cleaned, painted & fitted with correct battery. It was now back to original! The car has never been painted, panelled or welded in all it’s life. I feel very privileged to own such a car and I think I will be keeping it for a long while, God willing.

I joined the Register and came to the Pickering National just to ‘see what I had got’. I was advised to enter the concours and, well, the rest as they say….

I was absolutely floored by the reception and comeraderie shown to me and my car at the National and overcome with the results. I am still very humbled at the attention the car receives at these shows.

Bill Young's Custom Minivan

Bill Young's Custom Minivan

If you look at the pics of the Mini, you may understand how hard it is for me to keep the triumph standard, as this is the first car I have ever owned that has not been “tweaked” in one way or another, but I remain committed, or as my wife and family say, I should be committed!!”

As anyone who’s seen Bill’s car in the metal can testify, what sets this car out from the rest is it’s stunning originality and state of preservation, from the all-original paint to the delightfully detailed engine bay. Truly wonderful.

February COTM: Rob Baker's 2500TC

Rob Baker's 1973 Triumph 2500 TC

Rob Baker's 1973 Triumph 2500 TC

Many members may recognise Rob Baker’s 2500. It was, until recently, the long serving steed to our much missed former SIXappeal Editor, John Cottrell.

Rob relates:

I bought MYL 610L in August 2009 and joined the Register at the same time. I was no stranger to the club though as my parents are Jeff and Julie Baker; members since the year dot and former committee members, so I have them to blame for my Triumph addiction. She is a 1973 2500 Mk2.

It had been a few years since a lack of storage space forced me into selling my Herald 1200, but the intention was always to buy another Triumph once time, space and money allowed. I aim to keep the car in its current tidy condition and improve upon it where possible but still keep it in regular use as I believe John did.

Jobs done so far include:

  • Replaced centre console which was badly cracked
  • Replaced Choke assembly, it now stays out on its own without the help of a clothes peg!
  • Changed oil and filters, it had been running on a thinner grade of oil, much happier now
  • Replaced Oil Pressure relief valve and spring. The oil light was flickering just slightly when coming to a stop from high speed, the better oil and new valve seem to have greatly improved this but i will fit a Chris Witor oil pump at some stage
  • Replaced worn check strap on drivers side door and adjusted the hinge, still need to do passenger side which is also opening too wide
  • Cleaned out the air box as the inside had been painted at some stage and was now flaking off and clogging the filter. Also cleaned out all the ducts, vents and heater matrix which was full of leaves and associated gunk

Jobs still to do include fitting a towbar and replacing the rear bumper which has a mysterious hole on the underside. Once the weather improves the car will be used for towing our classic 1960’s Folding Caravan.

The engine bay of Rob Baker's Triumph 2500 TC

The engine bay of Rob's Triumph

The car is very sound bodywise but there are some blemishes in the paintwork and the odd scab here and there as you might expect from a car in regular use so it may well be paying a visit to the bodyshop in the near future for a mild makeover. MYL will be seeing service as our wedding car this September so I want her looking her best.

Rob and Vicki

Rob and Vicki

About the owner

Location: North Manchester (Hopefully relocating to the Peak District in the near future, anyone want a nice 3 bed Semi in Manc? Going cheap!)

Interests: Old Cars, Camping, Hiking, Writing, Photography

Other Stuff: In addition to being a Register member I am also the Webmaster and Northern Area Co-Ordinator of the Triumph Sporting Owners Club. I am an occasional contributor to Camping magazine and a member of their readers panel. I have had several articles and photos published.

I live with my better half Vicki and our 2 dogs Monty and Cindy. Vicki and I are getting married in September this year.

It looks as if Rob’s got heritage on his side. Not only are his parents steeped in the history of the Register, so is the car.

January 2010 Car of the Month

Arthur Selby’s 1975 Triumph 2500 TC Police Car

PC Selby's Triumph 2500 TC

PC Selby's Triumph 2500 TC


This  month we take a look at PC Selby’s 2500 TC, resplendent in the livery of Greendale Constabulary. PC Selby has been custodian of the car for a number of years now: “Greendale isn’t the wealthiest of local police authorities, so we’ve had to make do with the same car now for quite a while”.

“we have to be a little inventive with parts replacement”

Understandably, with such a long tenure the car has deviated from standard somewhat, the single indicator lenses being the most obvious. “Even though we have one of the finest postal services in the country (courtesy of Patrick Clifton, otherwise known locally as ‘Postman Pat’, and Mrs Goggins, the postmistress), for some reason neither Chris Witor or Rimmer Bros will deliver to Greendale anymore, which means we have to be a little inventive with parts replacement.”

Of the car’s attributes, Arthur comments: “The boot is lovely and big, I can get several traffic cones in there plus the usual police-type stuff such as handcuffs, truncheons, donuts and such like. We keep the car in a decent state of tune by having it fettled regularly by Ted Glen at Pencaster, so we can keep up with the local boy racers no problem. The poor state of some of the B roads round here means that the all-round independent suspension is a definite advantage”.

We think the car is a cracker, long may PC Selby be the pilot of such a fine car.